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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2008, 7:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: May 19th, 2008, 8:13 pm 
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How much would each of the above mentioned conversions cost and what performance would you expect to see with each?
I'm interested in doing a conversion, but need a tad more info.
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 12th, 2008, 2:19 pm 
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stef just a quick question not sure if you have the answer or not
the 1.8 carisma engine swap you say can be done in a 1.6 and you an use the 1.6 loom
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what about the 1.3 would you need to upgrade the 1.3 loom to a 1.6 and what else is involved
or can you still use the 1.3 loom and just swap the cu or not
got a 1.3 that im gonna do the swap on but looking into what the 1.3 needs to do the swap

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 12th, 2008, 8:38 pm 
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i would say use the carisma loom ecu...
as the 1.3 is totally different to the 1.6

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 12th, 2008, 9:19 pm 
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Easy way to look at it is, the 1.3 has a dizzy cap and the 1.6 has coil packs.
Also 1.3's have a MAP sensor and 1.6's have the MAF sensor.
So you'll need the engine loom that matches the engine your going to use ;) But 1.6 Colts and 1.8 Carisma (Non GDI) are the same engine just different heights.
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 13th, 2008, 12:41 am 
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Broomy wrote:
i would say use the carisma loom ecu...
as the 1.3 is totally different to the 1.6
yep after i wrote it i was at the garage and noticed it has a dizzy on it
would the carisma loom work with the colt or am i just better getting a 1.6 cj loom
im thinking the cj loom would be better all around as it would have all the same connections and not need anything modded

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 14th, 2008, 6:47 pm 
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the 1.6 loom should be fine although i've never done it to say for sure but like joe says the 4g93 is just a taller 4g92 and with it still being a single cam everything is the same think of it like taking the head of a 1.6 CJ and slipping the 1.8 bottom end in the only thing needing changing is the belt really everything else is identical.
although, i'm sure when danno did his car he had an issue the the power steering pump or something, i cant remember details.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 15th, 2008, 1:29 pm 
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yeah you need the 1800 PSP :D and you will need cam belt too


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 20th, 2008, 10:34 am 
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Heres a question, the prefacelift and facelift engine looms are different aren't they, as they use different MAF sensors etc. anyone know which of these will be best suited for the 4g93?
Is there an equivalent pre and facelift version of a 4g93???

and......
If I'm planning on building a 4g93 Mivec hybrid, what loom would you suggest for this? a cyborg one?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 20th, 2008, 10:21 pm 
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The simple rule is that the looms are not interchangable in terms of mivec and SOHC. You cannot run one loom on the other engine. If your building a Mivec hybrid you need the borg loom and all the crank sensor gubbins. If your keeping it SOHC to start with you'll need the complete engine, loom and ecu, and all of this will need to be swapped when you put a mivec engine in.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: July 20th, 2008, 10:24 pm 
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Righto cheers cheese, i thought the mivec would need an extra fancy loom lol. Yeah i'm planning on getting all the parts together and building up the hybrid (probably quite gradually) out of the car then puttin it all in when i've got a couple more years no claims bonus under my belt :)


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: August 31st, 2008, 8:20 pm 
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So how powerful/torquey is the 1.8 engine? Is it Turboable (lol a new word)?

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: September 1st, 2008, 9:42 am 
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Visionist wrote:
So how powerful/torquey is the 1.8 engine? Is it Turboable (lol a new word)?


Which 1.8 engine? You can turbo anythiong with the right parts, knowledge and money!

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: September 1st, 2008, 7:06 pm 
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the 1.8 SOHC 4G93 engine is about 125bhp give or take

going back to danbob's post regarding the facelift and prefacelift looms/ecu.

i've no idea if the 4g93 was re worked at the same time as the 4g92 to give more power like the facelift 1.6, however if it did the best ecu to use would obviously be the facelift, the 1.6 loom could still be used facelift or prefacelift, it shouldn't really matter if the MAF plug is different the plugs can be swapped etc.

what needs to be found out is wheather there is a more powerful version of the 1.8 so people can use the ecu that will give most power.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 12:38 pm 
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What about the DOHC twin turbo?
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 19th, 2008, 8:27 pm 
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it fits with some major shoe horning and changes i believe, joe21 has pics of it done i believe


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: November 12th, 2008, 1:35 am 
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how much work is it to fit a 1.8 t gsr evo engine??/

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: November 12th, 2008, 10:17 am 
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how much work is it to fit a 1.8 t gsr evo engine??/


If you can find one in the right orientation, then its about a day and a half to fit. You also need to swap the fuel pump out as well. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: December 6th, 2008, 11:45 pm 
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When looking at carisma engines, what year should I be looking for? Will the newer shape engines fit cjs?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: January 23rd, 2014, 8:06 pm 
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took a while but I found this page again. Awesome info by the way

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