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 Post subject: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 14th, 2007, 2:17 pm 
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Ok so you've got a CJ amd your growing weary of the lack of power the 1.3 or 1.6 has to offer you.
here's a little guide as to what engine choices are availiable to you and roughly what will be required to make it work.
The carisma or fto 1.8 SOHC engine -
This is probably the easyest swap availiable to do to your colt, all that is required for this swap is the engine. The engine will run on the 1.6 loom and ecu and gives a reasonable increase in power and torque. When looking into this convertion you are looking for a 4G93 non GDI engine because these engines are not very good :lol: This engine can be used with any of the 4G series gearboxes.
The Mivec engine - Image
This is another relatively simple engine swap however it will require a bit more to work than the carisma or fto swap. For this swap you will require a cyborg engine (with all ancilaries), wiring loom and ecu. This is the minimum requirements for mivec engine swap, anothjer option is to get an entire cyborg front cut this will give you everything from the cyborg that you will require plus extras like the cyborg gearbox and brakes. This engine can be used with any of the 4G series gearboxes.
The V6 Mivec engine - Image
This swap ideally requires you to have a donor FTO or a FTO half cut this way you will have everything availiable to do the swap. Minimum requirements for this swap are engine, wiring loom, ecu, gearbox driveshatfs and hubs (front and rear) as you can see most of the car is required so a donor car is definately the best way forward, this also allows you to take the FTO suspension and brakes meaning your colt will end up being full FTO spec. This engine requires the FTO gearbox and cannot be used with any 4G series box.
The EVO engine - Image
This is the daddy of engine swaps and the one we all want. This is another swap that ideally requires you to have a donor EVO that way you can convert your colt to complete evo spec changing absolutely everything. (the evo 4 is the best choice for a complete swap over due to the width of the evo 4 being best suited to the colt, evo 5's and 6's are wider and would require flared arches to accept the wider track) The minumum requirements for this swap are the engine, wiring loom and ecu. You can use a FWD converted evo gearbox or any of the 4G series gearboxes with this engine. If a FWD converted evo box is used, evo driveshatfs and hubs must be fitted also.
The Hybrid engine - Image
Hybrid engines are engines which have been made out of different components from various engines. The picture shows a twin cam converted 4G15 engine, this twin cam head can also be fitted to the 4G13 engine. There is a very rare model of galant that has a 4G93 twin cam engine, if one of these engines or heads can be found you can twin cam convert your 1.6 4G92 or 1.8 4G93 engine. RPW also do twin cam converting kits that can be found here http://www.rpw.com.au
Another popular hybrid engine is the 1.8 mivec, here is a list of the components required to create such an engine:
Block- A 4G93 block either from a DOHC/SOHC or a GSR turbo, GSR block has oil sqiuters for pistons N/A blocks do not.
Crankshaft - 4G93
Rods - 4G93
Pistons - 4G92 Mivec or custom made ones to give your desired compression ratio.
Headgasket - A 2mm copper/custom gasket is needed to bring CR to 11.0:1 in a 4g93 with 4g92 mivec pistons. (different pistons will require a different gasket to be used)
Timing Belt - 4G94 159 tooth
Gearbox - Any 4G series works but a cyborg box with lsd is recommended
ECU - standard mivec with piggyback eg. greddy e manage or fully standalone eg. haltech
Injectors - 390cc from Lancer GSR
A 1.8 Mivec Turbo would require you to use the full GSR bottom end instead of mivec pistons, a mivec turbo would definately need standalone engine management with mivec control.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 14th, 2007, 3:01 pm 
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great write up stef just the information iv been looking for :D

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 15th, 2007, 1:06 pm 
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Than you sooo very much! Nice and complete information about CJ0 engine swaps! I was looking for something like this, so now I have to choose between those interesting tasty engines...!

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2007, 10:34 am 
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how easy would the engine swap be if i had an fto donor car? would everything slot right in place or would i have to make alterations to the engine bay?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2007, 12:01 pm 
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It pretty much drops straight in. You dont need to make any changes to the chassis or the engine bay. I believe a proper guide is being written at the moment for the full conversion. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2007, 8:46 pm 
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so if i bought a donor car and i've got a mate thats a decent mechanic it shouldnt be too much time/cost too fit the fto engine? anyone had any insurance quotes?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2007, 8:49 pm 
i'm on with a FTO fitting guide.it will only be the basic mechanical side of things.the electrics i will sort out at a later date when i help out on another V6 conversion


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2007, 8:51 pm 
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Or two :D
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: November 5th, 2007, 2:35 am 
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what would you need for this engine?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mitsubishi-FTO-Engine-2-0-v6_W0QQitemZ330183473288QQihZ014QQcategoryZ10400QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: November 5th, 2007, 9:50 pm 
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see fto mivec above..... BUT i believe that engine is NOT MIVEC so its not the 190bhp motor
Minimum requirements for this swap are engine, wiring loom, ecu, gearbox driveshatfs and hubs (front and rear)
i would think you also need the radiator??? as there aint much room with the V6 under the bonnet

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: November 5th, 2007, 10:14 pm 
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It is the Mivec one Chris, it has three screw holes on the bottom for head for the Mivec cover. My non Mivec one doesn't have them ;) But the rest of what Chris said is right, you'll need
Strong enough gearbox
Engine + Ancillaries
Clutch
Flywheel
Accelerator Cable
Wiring looms
Exhaust Manifolds/Downpipes
ECU
Engine mounts
Theres more i'm sure but brains not working tonight! :)
Oh and be careful that just says 'FTO engine', doesn't mean you'll get any ancillaries ;) I know that the ancillaries on that engine are almost worth the same as what they are asking so you might find they are not included :(
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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 12th, 2008, 10:35 am 
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Mitsubishi eclipse 2003-2005 GT/GTS 6G72 engine,
What about fit in CJ0 ?
And 4G's 6G75 24valve sohc engine ?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 16th, 2008, 7:15 pm 
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no ideas fitting another type of engine?
For example 6A12 2.0 dohc 24valve from mitsubishi galant E54...


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 16th, 2008, 7:18 pm 
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markoh wrote:
no ideas fitting another type of engine?
For example 6A12 2.0 dohc 24valve from mitsubishi galant E54...

that'd be the same as the v6 out of the FTO then :)

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 16th, 2008, 9:05 pm 
the galant V6 2.0 6A12 is more for the CA colt.for the CJ colt you'd be looking at the 6A13 2.5 V6


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 17th, 2008, 1:26 pm 
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it means CA and CJ's engine fastening points are at the same places? 4G93 Dohc should fit in to CJ0 ?
what about gear box?


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 17th, 2008, 1:31 pm 
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markoh wrote:
it means CA and CJ's engine fastening points are at the same places? 4G93 Dohc should fit in to CJ0 ?
what about gear box?

No they aren't
Not without making new engine mounts, etc
You'll need one


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 17th, 2008, 1:35 pm 
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markoh wrote:
it means CA and CJ's engine fastening points are at the same places? 4G93 Dohc should fit in to CJ0 ?
what about gear box?

The 4G93 DOHC engine somes in to orientations - Think of it as Gen1 & Gen2. The Gen1 engines (cambelt on the passenger side - UK & JDM cars) will only be a direct fit in the CA colts and Protons.
The Gen2 engines (Cambelt on the drivers side) will only be a direct fit in the CJ. The mounting points are not the same. The engine is completely switched 180' in the engine bay, so none of the mounting points will be in the correct place.
Whichever you go for, you need the corresponding gearbox to go with it! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2008, 6:30 pm 
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what original engine ancilaries can i use from the colt cj in conjunction with the fto v6 mivec.
thankful for any help


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 Post subject: Re: Engine convertions
PostPosted: April 23rd, 2008, 7:43 pm 
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EddF wrote:
what original engine ancilaries can i use from the colt cj in conjunction with the fto v6 mivec.
thankful for any help

none i believe... you need all the v6 parts.. alternator, pas pump, all specific to the v6 im pretty sure .
ideally need an fto to remove all the parts from...or buy the engine and bits thats sat in my garage :lol:

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